May 1, 2025

THUNDERBOLTS* Review NO SPOILERS - Error Code Show

THUNDERBOLTS* Review NO SPOILERS - Error Code Show
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THUNDERBOLTS* Review NO SPOILERS - Error Code Show

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Well, Jay and I just got back from a day zero

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screening of Thunderbolts asterisk today This

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is the second to last film. We were getting out

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of the MCU before Avengers Doomsday Doomsday

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with only fantastic four first steps remaining

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Before we get to our next Avengers film So without

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further ado Jay scale of 1 to 10. What do you

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rate the Thunderbolts? I'm gonna give it a solid

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8 .5. You're giving it a solid 8 .5. You were

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a little higher than me I'm at a seven, right?

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Like leaning toward an eight, but still a seven

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for me. We had a couple of conversations right

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after the movie about this, and I'll upfront

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this. For me, I'd seen all the trailers and the

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marketing. My biggest issue with the film was

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I clocked the ending very early. It was pretty

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telegraphed kind of how it was going to end.

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Not in a bad way, but I was just like, oh, okay,

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yeah, I see where this is going. There were still

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a couple little surprises. But I clocked it really,

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really early. You didn't. You were pleasantly

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surprised. Yeah, that is what being a DC child

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gets you. Sometimes you're surprised by the MC.

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You're like, wait a minute. What? My. There were

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some good family themes, and I think the stuff

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at the end, we're going to do a spoiler video.

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So if you're watching this review, this is our

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spoiler -free review. Go to the other video.

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There's another video on the channel that's uploaded

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right after this one that will be our spoiler

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talk about Thunderbolts, and we're going to talk

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about all the spoilery details. So if you don't

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want spoilers, you're okay. We're just talking

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about the movie here. There was a lot of themes

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like with mental health and family and and together.

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You really liked. So talk about like what you

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were what what really drove you about those ones.

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I. I just really liked it's kind of dark and

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it is. It really hits home, I think, for a lot

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of people in like today's world, like it's this

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isn't like a oh, I went. And I saw like Iron

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Man just like beat up bad guys for like an hour

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and a half. And like I went home and was like,

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OK, cool. Like it wasn't a brain rot movie. You.

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You were like, OK, like, yeah, like sometimes

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I feel lonely and sometimes I feel helpless and

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it's. They really had that under, I don't know,

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that undertone throughout the movie. They gave

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you some stuff to chew on. Yeah, it's like oh

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shit. Okay. Damn. Okay. We're going here. All

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right it's like if you've ever been to church

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and you Swear that like the preacher is talking

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directly to you. That's how this movie is. Yes

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Um, let's talk a little bit about the performances

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the first one I want to highlight is Julia Louis

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Dreyfus as Valentina D Fontaine as she she points

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out very early in the film She does such a good

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job of making me absolutely despise her. The

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entire film, I was like, well, somebody please

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just kill this woman. I do not like you. Go away.

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I just want you to go away. And about three quarters

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of the way through the movie, I was like, wait,

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this is actually what she's going for. She is

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trying to make this character just, you don't

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like her at all. There is not a single redeeming

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quality. Nothing. And she does a really good

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job of that. Which performance has kind of stood

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out to you? I mean, the very obvious one, the

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actress I play is Elena. I mean, yeah, you get

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so much of her in this movie, like way more than

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any of the other movies. So I really liked it.

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And there's like some. I don't know, like some

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really like iconic moments, I think, like throughout

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the movie that you're just like, like one, it's

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like, damn, like the scene looks really, really

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good. And then it's just like. Yeah, she's just

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a total, you know, total awesome rock star in

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this movie. They give her a lot of deeper stuff

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to work with in this film than you saw in either

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Blackwood or Hawkeye, where we've seen her previously.

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And as and as much as I loved her, her interactions

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with Kate Bishop and Hawkeye and her interactions

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with Natasha Romanoff and Black Widow, this is

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much deeper. Right. There are some points where

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she goes back and forth between calling Red Guardian

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Dad and Alexi. Did you notice that? I noticed

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the dad a couple of. A couple of points. And

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then when she's mad at him, she calls him a Lexi.

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Yeah. Yeah. There's definitely this like throughout

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the movie, like kind of like this feel of like,

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no, like you weren't there for me. You're not

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my dad. I'm mad at you. And then it's like, but

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you're my dad. Yeah. That kind of brings us to

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David Harbour, who I think is just having a blast

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playing Red Guardian. He's just he's having so

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much fun. Oh, he loves those. Yeah. If if Yelena

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is the soul of this movie and she's definitely

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the POV character, she's the one we're supposed

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to be watching this film through. I kind of feel

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like he's the heart of this movie. Like he's

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he's he's the whole time. He's like, I want everyone

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to be together. I want. better things the whole

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time. He's like. Let's do better. And I'm like,

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you know, and he's just having so much fun. Yeah.

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Being him that crazy Russian, you know, White

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Russell does a pretty good job as John Walker.

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Oh, yeah. Solid. They don't really give Ghost

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a whole lot to do. She's fine. There's nothing

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wrong with her performance, but she's definitely

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kind of the odd one out. in the Thunderbolts.

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And I'll be honest, I didn't love Sebastian Stan's

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performance. You and I talked about this a little

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bit and disagreed. It just it felt a little like

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gruff, angry guy. The whole time. Yeah, I I think

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one. So one, we didn't. You don't you don't see

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a whole lot of him like he's there, but he's

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not doing anything very like meaningful throughout

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about halfway through the movie. Yeah. I think

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one that might have been like a director like,

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hey, like we already know your backstory. You've

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already been you've already had your spotlight.

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We want to focus on these new heroes. But then

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also, I think like the whole like rough tough

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guy, I think I think and this is just my theory,

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but I think like they're trying to gear him up

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to be a leader of, you know, kind of, I don't

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know, whoever replaces the Avengers or whatever,

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you know, it's like, hey, like I need to be this

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like tough guy or any kind of together. Maybe

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I guess my problem was just like I look at Falcon

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and the Winter Soldier. Right. Did you watch

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that show? Yeah. They kind of tried to like they

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tried to smooth a lot of his rough edges like

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give him some humanity because he's not the Winter

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Soldier anymore. Right. Yeah. You know, and the

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the stuff with Sam's sister and, you know, just

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like him trying to not be the Winter Soldier

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anymore. And I kind of felt like this was a step

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backwards for for Bucky. You know. Yeah. I mean,

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I don't know. Maybe maybe they did some marketing

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research and they were like, no, we don't really

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like the smooth Bucky. Like we want the the rougher

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Bucky. I don't know. Maybe. Overall, I think

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that this is definitely one of the better films

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in this face of the MCU. Yes. Yes. I was actually

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kind of surprised because I was like, I hope

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it's good. I don't really know, though. This

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could kind of be like a movie. I'm just going

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to go check it out. And then I was actually surprised.

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I actually loved the movie. It was great. I don't

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know about Bob. We like Bob. We see Bob in the

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trailers. Bob is there. We don't see a lot of

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Bob in the trailers, but we do see Bob. Bob is

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Bob's there. Bob is funny. I liked Bob. You know,

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he was he was good. Right and we'll talk about

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that go to the spoiler Video if you want to know

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more about Bob Bob is important, right? You guys

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don't get that. He the whole story hinges on

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Bob Post credit scenes, we're not gonna spoil

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them here both worth watching one is very funny

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It's just silly and then the other one starts

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like oh, this is silly and that's like, oh no,

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this is actually important And again, we'll talk

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about that. Go check out our spoiler view for

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talk about the post credit scenes in. Yeah, we'll

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put it. We'll put a card somewhere here up down

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that way. So, yeah, overall, Jay's got this at

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an eight point five. I've got it at a solid seven

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leaning toward an eight. Overall, we enjoyed

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it. We saw it in IMAX, which I thought was great.

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Yeah, it's a visually very stimulating movie.

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I would like to thank the nice folks at AMC Obviously,

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you know, the title is Thunderbolts with an asterisk.

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They gave us these cool metal We all got cool

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metal asterisk keychains with the Thunderbolts

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in IMAX It's hard to see on there in the back

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and they're actually like they're solid metal.

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They're like We walked in we did our tickets

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and they were like here here's some stuff and

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we're like, oh neat presents What was the last

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time you got a present at the movie? I think

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it was back in the day when they used to do like

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midnight premieres. I don't know. I'm too old,

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too old to do midnight premieres. Yeah. But I

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remember they used to do like the they would

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hand you out like the the miniature movie poster.

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Yeah. Be like, oh, here's a movie poster. Here's

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me. I actually like this better than a movie

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poster. I mean you run out of wall space you

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do and this again This is metal like I can put

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it on something and you know, I can feel solid

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So thank you AMC slash Marvel for my my asterisk

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Right, um Yeah, have you seen Thunderbolts yet?

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What did you think go ahead and leave a comment

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down in the comment section below and give us

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your thoughts Thank you