Fantastic Four Post-Credit Scene Explained + SPOILER TALK!!

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Hey everybody welcome to our spoiler talk for

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Fantastic Four First Steps. Please note the spoiler

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warning between Jay and I. That's just the spoiler

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talk. If you want the non -spoiler review click

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up there okay there'll be a card that'll lead

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you to the non -spoiler review and then after

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you've seen the movie come back and we can discuss

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all the crazy crap that happened in this movie

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that we couldn't talk about in our regular review

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because we would have spoiled the shit out of

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it. So go check out our regular view it'll be

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up in the card up there but again there's your

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spoiler warning and let's go. Holy crap, Jay,

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where do you want to start? This is such a consequential

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movie for the MCU. I don't even know where to

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begin. Everything again, everything that that

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that we saw in the close was in the first 20

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minutes of the movie. Let's start with them going

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after Galactus. Yep. What did you think of that

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whole sequence like because they leave and they're

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like, all right, we're gonna take the work We're

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gonna we're gonna do like an endgame. We're gonna

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or infinity. We're gonna take the fight to glasses.

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We're gonna go negotiate We're gonna have a conversation

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with this guy What did you think of that whole

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sequence? Yeah I thought was great because one

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that's the first time that you see Galactus you

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see Um, everyone's reaction where they're like,

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Oh shit, we have not gone up against anything

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like this before. His ship looks amazing. Ship

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looks sick. Um, yeah. And I don't know you seeing

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like Galactus is like eyes first, like light

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up. You're like, Oh God, um, you, you kind of

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get this like sense, which I mean, this is what

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they're going for, that they cannot win. Right.

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Like this is they're way over their heads. They

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are. They are beat. Yeah. Even with the Silver

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Surfer being able to just freaking phase in and

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out, zip around, surf around, which I really

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love the interaction between the Silver Surfer

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and the Fantastic Four. But. Yeah, Galactus.

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the first kind of scene that you see him. I was

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like, oh, God, here we go. Like, this is sick.

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It it's such a strong, strong sequence. Yeah.

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The only thing that kind of it made me interested

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as they were leaving and then Sue goes into labor

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as they're leaving Galactus's place. And I was

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like, oh, really? Like, we're just just going

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here now. Are we OK? You know, I like the sequence

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though Uh the johnny's line the the I don't tell

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you how to do I forget what he said He's like,

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I don't tell you how to fly. Don't tell me how

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to kill sexy aliens Yeah Oh, and I I also loved

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his line like okay I get like johnny loves women

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john johnny loves space like johnny loves sexy

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space aliens or whatever like But here's the

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thing I saw that clip before we saw the movie

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on tiktok right where it was it was floating

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around in one of the clips they released right

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johnny loves women johnny loves space now there's

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a naked space lady and you know johnny thinks

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they had a moment What I like is and I want to

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come back to this because they Chekhov's gun

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it a couple of times in the movie right early

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Right first with the the teleportation device

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because at the very beginning the movie reads

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trying to do his teleporting eggs And you're

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like, okay, cool. And my first thought when I

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was watching him teleport the egg is I was like,

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well, there's Chekhov's gun, right? And then

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when they're getting the deep space transmissions

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and he's like cutting them to vinyl and Johnny's

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taking them, I'm like, hmm, is that going to

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come into play later? And it does. And this is

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the thing I said in our review. It would have

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been very easy for them to make Johnny one note,

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right? I'm the fire guy who runs around and flies

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and does cool stuff. But in my opinion his greatest

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contribution to the fight was the cerebral side

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of it Where he he spends all that time translating

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her language Right and has nothing to do with

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his powers, but to me that's the biggest impact

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he has on the story Yeah Because This is like

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the thing because they mentioned that like he

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he's a scientist like they're all they're all

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scientists and in the other fantastic the first

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one will wait the first two I don't know I can't

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they're just so shit. He was just really stupid

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like I don't remember him doing like anything

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like really major and that's that's what we kind

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of see right like We see that he he likes to

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joke around. He likes to goof off a bit. He likes

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to give everyone a hard time. But then he like

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desperately wants to prove to the others like,

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no, like I can do stuff to like I'm not just

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the flame guy. Like I'm a scientist. I can figure

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stuff out. And then you do he like he pulls it

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off like. And the impact is huge. The impact

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wins. A lot of that is winning the fight. Yeah.

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Because without that, I don't think you would

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have convinced the Silver Surfer to actually

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help beat Galactus. Yes. Because they're basically

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beat at that point, right? They're basically

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done like Sue spent everybody. They don't know

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how the fuck is the thing. They've pushed him

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into the teleport machine, which again, there

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was our other Chekhov's gun. One was the deep

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space transmissions with the vinyl and the other

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being the teleport machine. At the beginning,

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they established these things are here. And I

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was like, OK, let's see how these are going to

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play. And then we got this comes back out. You're

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like, oh boy. And then Johnny goes to do the

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thing and then she beats him and pushes Gladys

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back to the teleporter. Which I to be honest,

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when he started coming back out, I kind of thought

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what they were going to do was Galactus is going

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to come out and then read was going to like push

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or somehow. get everyone into the portal just

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before it closed and teleport them away from

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Galactus to save his family. That's what I was

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thinking. So the only reason I did is I kept

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thinking about that Thunderbolts post -credit

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scene, right? Where we see the Fantastic Four

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spaceship, the Excelsior come in to the 616.

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And so what's interesting to me is I was like,

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where I really thought it was going to end is

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they were going to lose. And they were going

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to be fleeing Galactus, which is how they end

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up in the six with six. But that's not the case.

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That is not what happens. They beat Galactus.

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And we're going to we're going to jump around

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in the in the in our spoiler view here. And then

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really, it's it's about the time jump in that

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mid credit scene because we got baby Franklin,

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right, who glad just wants because he's got the

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power cosmic. That's what they say in the movie.

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Franklin has the power cosmic. Glock just wants

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Franklin. so that he can stop running around

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and eating shit. Right. And but in the mid -credits

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scene, they do a five year time jump. So whatever

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we see in Thunderbolts where they're coming to

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the 616 happens after that five year time jump,

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Franklin's not a baby anymore. Yeah. He a little

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dude. Which, again, I actually think will be

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better for Doomsday. Yeah. And yes, we get Dr.

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Doom ish. We we get we get a hooded thing with

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Franklin kind of touching his face. And then

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we see the mask. You know, you do not see doom's

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face. But now I'm kind of curious how why they're

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going to end up leaving, because again, I I thought

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Galactus was going to beat him and they were

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going to flee to the 616 to get away from Galactus.

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Nope. Nope. What else do we say Franklin obviously

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yes powerful right sues all spent she dies right

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and they're like here Franklin go lay on mommy

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and my friends like fuck you bitch Mommy doesn't

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die. I'm Franklin See right there Because I also

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thought the entire movie out that they were going

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to lose and like you mentioned That's how you

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see them in the Thunderbolts So at that moment

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right there, I was like, cause they kind of left

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her dead for a little bit, like a little, like

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it lingered a little bit. And so I was like,

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I was like shit. So she's dead and maybe read

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does his science shit. And then because they

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mentioned about during what is his like little

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scientific talk to all the children. He mentions

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about like this proves parallel universes. They're

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like, Maybe he goes deep into that research,

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opens up a parallel universe, gets to 616 trying

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to find a reality where she's still alive. And

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I was like, shit, this is so dark. But as soon

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as like Franklin came out and like laid on top

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of her, I was like, OK, never mind. Like she's

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coming back because of the comics. He's one of

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the most powerful characters in all of Marvel.

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Yeah, he can create his own reality. And again,

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I'm not sure they're going to do that in the

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MCU. That's a good question, but we're gonna

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find out Let's see, let's stick to it. Let's

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stick to what we know what what did have a plot

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again I loved Johnny's like translation sequence

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and when he was like, I see what you did shallow

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ball. She's like what? Yeah, that was god That

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was sick. It was so good. It was really good

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Everybody had stuff to do I had I loved that

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I'm trying to think what else we want to talk

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about here with story stuff. What else did you

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notice that you want to to bring up for our lovely

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spoilery stuff? There's so much. There is so

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much. Good time jumps in there. I don't know.

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I loved I love the whole clobbering time. It's

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clobbering time because in this reality I am.

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They're celebrities and there's a cartoon and

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in the cartoon the cartoon says it's climber

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time, but Ben doesn't actually say that It's

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so funny What time is it? It's dinner time. I

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don't say that. Come on The dinner sequence happens

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a few times throughout the movie too. There's

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a few It's not just the one they do go back to

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the dinner table a couple of times I like that.

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They establish that I feel like a lot was cut

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out of this movie Obviously we know John Malkovich

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this whole section whatever that was supposed

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to be is gone There was something from the trailer

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where where remember they're walking the guy

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around and reads like we make sure to have dinner

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here every Sunday Right that doesn't happen in

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the movie. Oh, yeah Right. We don't see any of

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that So here's Let's let's move into our theory

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crafting right all year ago. So my theory now

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is that downy is the Is the victor vondue from

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the eight to eight universe throughout the movie

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multiple times when they're showing shots of

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the future foundation where Sue's running you

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see the latvarian flag You see the seat where

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that very is supposed to be and nobody's in it

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It's empty. It's pointed and I again it was another

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Chekhov's gun to me. I was like, it's not gonna

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pay off later Like, Latveria is the only one

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not chilling. Americans are like, everyone disarmed

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their military, except Latveria. Yeah. Right.

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And I'm like, OK. So that's my theory. And so

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my guess is, again, Doom is the one from the

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828 is who Downey is. Right. We know Feige said

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that after Secret Wars, they're going to be recasting

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Iron Man like Tony Stark and Steve Rogers. that

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Secret Wars, he's pretty much confirmed that

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it's going to be a soft reboot of the MCU. Right.

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Yep. So what what do you see here that you think

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that that's going to be that. How does Franklin's

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powers and them coming to the 616 tie in with

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the stuff that we know, because we know Loki's

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in Doomsday, right? And the last we saw Loki,

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he's holding the fucking multiverse together

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with his bare hands. Right. How does all this

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play out? In your mind. I could see it. They're

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they're getting their ass kicked. And I could

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see Franklin opening up a portal to the 616 to

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save his family and like take him away from danger.

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That's how we see them in Thunderbolts. That's

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how they get to the 616. And then, yeah, I could

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see, like, just even then, everyone loses. You

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have an endgame scenario where just fucking everyone's

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dying. Like at the end of Infinity War. Yeah.

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And maybe then Franklin creates his own reality

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where everyone is still alive. Battleworld. A

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different. So, yep. So I don't know if this is

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it so here's here's my theory now I think doom

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takes Franklin like that To the 616 because obviously

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read confirmed. Okay, we know parallel universes

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exist. He says that in the movie. So Reed figures

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out okay We have a way to track Franklin to what

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place in the multiverse doom took him Right,

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so we're gonna follow he took him to this universe,

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right? Because my guess is Doom's going to try

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and harness Franklin's power to create Battleworld

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for Doomsday. And I think you're right that I

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think all of Doomsday is going to be them getting

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the shit kicked out of them as Doom pulls realities

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together because we know the Fox X -Men reality

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is going to get sucked in here. We know a lot

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of realities are going to get sucked in and then

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Doom is going to use Franklin's powers to create

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Battleworld where he's in charge. I mean that's

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solid and solid theory Okay, so question I asked

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you out of the theater and now I want to know

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because we knew of the time jump with sue Right

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in the mid credit scene was like five years later.

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So so he's not a baby anymore. So here's my other

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question right Is Valeria born yet Because he's

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five now. Right. Do we. So do we think Sue and

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Reid have had. Their second kid yet. I. I'm going

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to say no. You don't think they're going to bring

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Valeria in yet? Yeah, I'm. Oh, I don't really

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know. I feel like it could go either way. I'm

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going to say no, though. No. Yeah, I'm going

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to say no. OK. That's interesting. I really want

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to know. Yeah. I really want to know if they're

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going to bring Valeria. I wasn't expecting them

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until the trailer started. So I did not expect

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to see Franklin in the first Fantastic Four movie.

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I figured they were going to wait like Fantastic

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Four two. Right, you know too fantastic to for

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this But then we got Franklin early and we've

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leveled Franklin up to age five and we know he's

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got the power cosmic So what happens now They

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all die I'm trying to think what is the next

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what is the next MCU release? I think it's Doomsday.

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Yes, I have a condo. I'm not talking. And by

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the way, for those of you watching on YouTube,

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I'm not talking about. Goofy crap. Oh, no, Spider

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-Man. Spider -Man brand new day is July 31st,

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2026. That's our next major release. OK, right.

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And that doomsday comes out next December. And

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sometime next year, they have not confirmed when

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the Vision series happens. Yeah, because, yeah.

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And I think we had Daredevil born again season

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two next year as well. Dear God. So. But really,

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our next movie is Spider -Man. And that kind

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of fits, because I think that's going to lead

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well into into Doomsday. I think spider -man

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ends with doomsday shit Okay, I mean I kind of

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I kind of feel like it has to To kind of just

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sink everything together Yeah But yeah, I think

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the MC use back I think they're doing good. I

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think we've got a solid foundation here again

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Yeah I 100 % agree. This, yeah, this was a very

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fun, entertaining, what I expect from Marvel

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movies when I go see a Marvel movie, which I

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did not get in the last Captain America movie.

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No. No. I also think this was great for establishing

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who the Fantastic Four are. Yep. Right. I think

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that's solid. Like we now have a strong sense

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of who they are going into doomsday. Right. Oh,

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yeah. 100 percent. You know, like like we know

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who these people are and what they're all about.

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Is there any other spoiler details you want to

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do before we before we cut this one and start

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editing and doing all our fun stuff? Was there

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anything else you noticed in the movie that that

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was interesting to you from a spoiler perspective?

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Oh You think interesting to me, um Not Yeah,

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I'll say this They're more powerful than I remember

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them being in any other movie, right? There's

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in the montage at the beginning you see Johnny

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absorbing shit tons of fire, right? And like

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I'm gonna suck up like entire like a whole blocks

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worth of Buildings are on fire. I suck it all

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up and now I got it all and I'm fine He sucks

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up some lava. Like Johnny is really powerful

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in this movie and so is sue right the storm siblings

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are brutal Yeah, I I loved it I did I did like

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did you notice that though how powerful both

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of them were Yeah, because I think Johnny absorbing

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I mean I could be wrong here It kind of looked

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like it was a nuclear reactor that was on fire

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that Johnny it could have been but um And I I

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really did enjoy that in the beginning because

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we also got to see some like small -time villains

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that we've never seen in movies That was kind

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of cute kind of funny But yeah, these are they're

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They're badass. Um, even um, yeah even sue I

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mean She's yeeting Galactus into that portal.

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Holy shit. Again, her and Johnny both I was like,

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damn, they're powerful. Yeah. From a power perspective,

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Reed seems to be the least powerful. And you

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don't we don't see Reed's powers much. They look

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good when they do it, but he doesn't do much.

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Powers wise. I've always thought. Of him like

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that like I've always thought of him as the more

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scientist Scientific kind of guy that's going

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to be doing the research in the background and

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then he can just like stretch really weird sometimes

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I'm So yeah to me that made sense like his his

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focus on the team is trying to problem solve

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and come up with the solution that doesn't involve

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just having them, you know, it's clobbering time

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technique. So to me, that makes sense. But yeah,

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the others. Now, here's what I will say. I thought

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thing looked great. I thought he was fun. But

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like when I'm watching this movie and I think

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of like Hulk versus thing, I don't see this thing

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standing toe to toe with the Hulk. He doesn't

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seem that strong to me. Not Hulk strong. I don't

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think he's Hulk strong. I don't think. I don't

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think he could beat Hulk. I don't think he could

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hold his own with Hulk. Because in the in the

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comics, they fight a few times. But I don't I

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don't get the sense that this Hulk that this

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thing could fight the Hulk. Yeah, and I. Hmm.

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I also really liked in this movie that you really

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like saw him. Kind of emotional, yeah, like you

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like they show his like face and how like handsome

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he was and then like the TV goes out and you

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just see like his reflection. They tried to do

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that in one of the Fantastic Four movies from

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the early aughts and they just didn't pull it

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off. Well, they also did lean into the in comic

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book things, religion thing is Jewish. Right

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Ben Grimm is Jewish in the comic books and in

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the movie he goes into a synagogue Right. Yeah,

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and she like you're here for spiritual stuff,

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you know, I I liked his His interactions with

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Natasha Leon's character Yeah, even though I

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don't know if we ever learned her name, you know

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But he really is just like this gentle like giant

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dude. He's like I like kids I like everybody

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but I'm sad cuz I'm a rock man Yeah, yep Yeah,

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we do it well They do they they do they do it

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well, I I did enjoy his character he's not the

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strongest in the Fantastic Four I would say maybe

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the Third most powerful. He's like above read

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in my opinion. Oh, yeah for sure I can't believe

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I forgot about this the thing beard. He grows

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a beard OK, so in the beginning, he like you

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find out that he basically his rock continues

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to grow and he's been using like a rock rider

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to shave, shave his face down in the movie. But

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then they have to conserve power. And he's like

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that. And he's like, I think you look good with

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the beard. And then like two scenes later, he's

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got a rock beard. Yeah, that was that was pretty

00:24:31.380 --> 00:24:34.359
funny. I did like I was like, oh, no, they actually

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gave him the beard. It was great. Yeah. So we

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we get thing beard He could grow rough, but that's

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actually interesting to hit the rock grows Yeah,

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yeah That I I don't remember that I don't remember

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that ever having in the comics, but I might be

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wrong So leave it in the comments down below

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if I'm wrong about that So, yeah does like other

00:25:03.539 --> 00:25:09.140
rock parts of him grow Oh, no, but I thought

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a little nugget of information about the thing

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grow beard Can grow a beard there. Yeah All right,

00:25:17.740 --> 00:25:21.140
folks With that, we will leave you there. What

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other interesting, spoiler -y comments or stuff

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did you see in the movie that we didn't cover

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in this video? Leave those down in the comments

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below. We both really like this movie, and I

00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:31.839
think it's gonna have huge impacts going forward.

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So, good job, Marvel. You finally made a fantastic

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movie, four movie that doesn't suck. Yay! Have

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a great day, everybody.