Avengers: Doomsday Cast WHAT?!? - Error Code Show

0:00 in what can only be considered an absolutely bonehead way of announcing the core avengers doomsday cast unveiling a new director's chair every 12 minutes with the name of the cast members uh what should have been like a five minute announcement uh turned into a boring five and a half hour event god they literally it was it was like every 12 minutes we're gonna pan to a new chair that's empty with somebody's name in it. Like, I don't know what you were thinking, Feige, but let's move on from that. Regardless, we now have what appears to be the full primary cast for the next Avengers film, and there's some surprises in there, both in who's there and who's been left out. So we're going to talk about the cast announcement and what it makes us think about Avengers Doomsday.

0:53 Jay, we were talking about this just before the show. What name shocked you? The most Channing Tatum. Channing Tatum, that was the one. That was the one. That was the one. I'll be honest, because we had seen Channing recently as Gambit. The one that got me was Alan Cummings. Because we have not seen Alan Cummings as Nightcrawler since X2. Oh. Right and what year was that what year did x2 release? Oh my god? It's a segment quiz with Alex now 2003 2003 is when x2 came out See yeah, we're gonna go through the whole list here in just a second, right again some of them makes sense to me. I'm like, yeah, you need some core OG Avengers. Some of the new people that the MCU has, you know, brought in, like Shang -Chi, right? We love Shang -Chi. Simu Liu is a treasure, right? The Fantastic Four. We're expecting them, right? That comes out this summer, right? Here's where we get to it. We had a bunch of old school X -Men. Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen,

2:27 Alan Cumming, James Marsden and Rebecca Romaine. Right. And Jay's like racking his comic book brain right now, going, what the hell are they going to do? What are they going to do? Octokitty, what are they going to do? Seriously? Well, let's let's do this before we get a thing. That many X -Men characters were you expecting that many old school X -Men characters Kelsey Grammer? No, I'm not at all so It kind of honestly kind of worries me that They're going to have too much going on for one movie, but you know, we'll see Jay is for those that listen to this audio only possibly you're listening to this in the background on your YouTube app Jay is physically grimacing right now and has been grimacing since the beginning of this. What is happening? OK.

3:31 This we're going to theory and yes, we're going to read through them all, but this is where we're going to get into theory crafting a little bit. This is a new Avengers level threat, right? Like Thanos. We have to establish immediately that doom is both bad. And because we haven't we haven't introduced doom yet. Nobody's seen Dr. Doom Right in the MCU, right? Cuz you gotta remember mainstream audiences, right? And to we have to establish the fact that he's fucking powerful Right. We have to make him powerful So, how do we do that? How do we and there's been some speculation some of the channels I watch about how do we how do we very quickly establish? Doom is fucking evil And he's powerful. So doge. So here's how we're going to do it. We're going to kill a bunch of them. Yeah. So this is this is my theory. Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen, Alan Cummings, Rebecca Romaine, James Marsden, Channing Tatum. They're fucking dead. Right, we know the next phase after Secret Wars is the mutant saga, right? We're ending the multiverse saga. We're moving into the mutant saga. Feige is gonna want his own X -Men. Right? What better way to establish Doom as a bad guy and as a powerful bad guy than having him merc all of these people? Like halfway through

5:07 the movie. No, yeah, it it makes sense and then it solves my issue of like having too much shit going on So I did this little thing right before the show right and this is the full list right Patrick Stewart professor X fucking dead Right dudes gonna kill him Ian McKellen Magneto dead Alan coming as nightcrawler dead Rebecca. We've made his mystique dead James Mars's Cyclops dead Jan and Tatum as Gambit, dead. Kelsey Grammer as Beast, dead. Right? I think that that first seven that's in that cast list, I think they're fucking dead. By the end of the movie, they're done. Because the names that I don't see on this list lead me to believe I think I know what's going to happen in Secret Wars. Right? And let's see if Jay agrees with me by the end of this.

6:11 So we bring Doom in. He kills all these people during the cause of the incursion. Right. We've talked about incursions in the MCU. We talked about it in Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. Right. And then at the end of the Marvels, Monica Rambeau ends up over in the X -Men universe. All right. So I think Chris Hemsworth is in there. He's part of the cast. I think he lives. I don't think they're going to kill off Thor. Vanessa Kirby is Sue Storm. She's not dying. Right. Anthony Mackie is Captain America. I'm pretty sure he's going to survive to doomsday or to secret wars. Sebastian Stan. I don't see him killing Bucky. Tell me, Jay, jump in here any time you disagree. I don't know. I could see Bucky dying. OK. Leticia Wright as our new Black Panther. This is the closest to a 50 -50 that I've got. You'll notice on my list, I put them as 51%, right? That's because I think she lives, but I'm not sure. So I'm edging over to lives, but I can be convinced the other way.

7:20 Paul Rudd is Ant -Man. I think he's dead. I think they're going to kill off Ant -Man. After how bad Ant -Man 3 was, Paul Rudd's getting up there in age, even though he looks like he's still 29. I think they kill Ant -Man, and I think that that has emotional weight for the audience. Yeah, I agree. Wyatt Russell is dime store Captain America slash U .S. agent. I think he lives. He does have the super soldier serum now. He is a super soldier. Oh, yeah. Yeah. OK. Tenac Huerta Mejia. That's our new Namor. I think he lives. Right. I don't think they're going to kill off Namor yet. I don't think they're done.

8:09 Ebenmas Baccarac. That's our new thing. He's he's not going to die. Simu Liu, Shang -Chi. He's not going to die. Florence Pugh as Yelena. This one I wrote is a tough call. I don't know. I just don't know. Where are we at? Lewis Pullman. That's our new sentry that we're about to see in Thunderbolts. I think he lives. Right. Danny Ramirez, which is our new Falcon that we saw in the new Captain America. I think he lives. Joseph Quinn, the new Human Torch. He's not going to die. David Harbour's Red Guardian. This is another one that I'm saying is a tough call.

8:59 I love David Harbour's Red Guardian. I think the character is great. Loved him in Black Widow Every time I watch the Thunderbolts trailer, I love them. It's either they're either I do really like him and I think the audience really likes him it's either gonna be one of those things where they're not going to kill him off because they can't afford to or or They're going to kill him off to get that like emotional like Tuck on your heartstrings. Yeah Winston Duke as Mbacu. I think he lives and if they kill off Mbacu, I'm gonna be fucking pissed. Okay. Fucking. You better not kill off Mbacu. Hannah John came in as Ghost. She's in the new Thunderbolts movie.

9:49 I wrote Who Cares? Tom Hiddleston is Loki. He's holding the universe together. I think he's the McGuffin of the movie. Yeah, I don't think I don't think you can just in general. I don't think they can afford to kill him off. He's the one holding the multiverse. Now, what they may do is kill him off at the very end. And that's the person that doom kills to start disentangling the universe. To build that world, right? Pedro Pascal, he's our new Mr. Fantastic. He'll be fine. And Robert Downey Jr. as Dr. Doom. He's obviously going to make it to secret wars, right?

10:33 There would be no point killing off your Dr. Doom before you get to secret wars. Looking at this list. Is there any obvious like omissions from recent MCU history that you're like, why the fuck is this person not in there? Hmm. It's a good question. I guess like the only one that like I'm shocked that's not in it that like has made a really big impact in Marvel recently. It's Jeff the shark. No, I'm. I'm thinking. I guess like stuff. I don't know. I can. Wesley Snipes is really old now, but I would love to get a reboot of Blade. Well, they had they had casted Mahershala Ali as the new blade in the MCU, and that movie has been stuck in development hell for five years. Why? Why? Script is apparently been the problem. The script. This is the this is the shit that pisses me off. They can't get a script locked. It's a fucking comic book movie, bro. How many blade comic they're still selling blade comics. I shit storylines look Writing a screenplay is hard. I'll give them that Summoning

12:03 the chap brought up the Eternals That's falling into the list of I think Marvel's just gonna try and hope we forget about that Kind of like secret Secret evasion like Barlow just doesn't want us to remember that secret evasion happened. We're just gonna Get that app it's fine So so the the omissions on this list This is what it makes me believe because the ones that strike me as odd right Given what they've done in the MCU in recent years the number one on the list that I went, huh? Is Miss Marvel. Right. OK, because we've established she is very powerful.

12:58 Right. Critical. And they've got that whole next Gen Avengers thing kind of going like the post credit with her and Kate Bishop and things like that. Where the hell is vision? We know white visions out there somewhere. I mean, that's true. So that is true. Where's vision? I can understand. Look, Punisher, Punisher walks into this fight and he gets his ass whooped. Right. Daredevil walks into this fight and he's having a tough time. Yeah. I think the the and somebody in in a in a thread I was reading was like, why no Spider -Man? I think Spider -Man four is going to be kind of the the bridge movie between Doomsday and Secret Wars. I think that. They're going to deal with Spider -Man in Spider -Man 4, and then he'll be in Secret Wars. Because my theory is that most of these fools, most of them, are either dead, right, or in the case of our Fantastic Four, are taken off the board at the end of Doomsday.

14:06 They're captured, they're fucking trapped in Battleworld, etc. Right? And that the part of the first part of the plot of Secret Wars is Spider -Man teaching because now he's kind of the veteran. Right. Think about it. He came into the MCU as the kid. Yeah. But now he's been through three Spider -Man movies, Civil War, Infinity War, Endgame. Right. At this point, he's kind of a veteran. Yeah, and so if you were gonna have somebody who was gonna train Miss Marvel Kate Bishop all these other people where he's a little bit older and he's kind of the veteran I think the first part of Secret Wars is gonna be him gathering them together and like Mentoring a new generation of superheroes Yeah Yeah, I mean like I agree with your logic there. That's I just that's my theory. I want it to be Like Old beer belly Peter Parker dad from across the spider I love that character The so that's my

15:38 theory as to what they're doing And I think that we're going to get our new stuff. The other one that strikes me as weird is Hulk. We have no Hulk. Where the fuck did the Hulk go? Oh, yeah. Yeah, we'll talk about that in a sec. Where's our Hulk at? Right. Doom shows up and there's no Hulk. What was a Remind me. What was he doing and she hulk again? Oh, he he had just gotten back from sacar with his son Because they have the the barbecue scene at the end of she hulk Right Just for everybody's Is at the end of she hulk we have the barbecue scene where where Matt is hanging out with. With Jen's family. Right.

16:51 And at the beginning, right. At the beginning of that scene, right. They're like, oh, no. You know, at the beginning of the season, he left to go to the car. Hang on, let me see if I can pull this up. So there you go. That was the last we saw of Bruce, but there's three hulks on Earth right now. There's - There's Bruce, his son, and Jen. So that's where I get a little messed up. Four. Oh no, you're right. Sorry, Chad is right. There are four hulks on earth because there's also a red hulk. That is true. There are now four hulks on earth and I don't see any of them on this list. To help fight Dr. Doom.

18:05 Unless Dr. Doom. Because I. I don't consider Dr. Doom to be dumb at all. So unless Dr. Doom does something to immediately take out who he views as like the greatest threat to him, which I mean, for hulks, holy shit. Like, honestly, you're you know, the only way you're going to like. take on four Hulks at one time is like a Thanos snap. Like that's not you can't you can't fight for Hulks. I don't know. So I think he does something in the very beginning to like level the playing field, which. You know, so you're going to take out like your biggest competition, the Hulks Gambit, you know, because Professor X, Professor X Magneto, because Magneto is an Omega level mutant. Yeah. Right. So if we're talking about an incursion and the worlds are smashing together, right? So here's my theory.

19:11 Dr. Doom is the one causing the incursion, right? He's like, I'm gonna pull these two worlds together. so i can fucking build my own world and he's gonna he's trying to create battle world he's trying to create his own world so he's pulling these worlds together maybe three of them the x -men world the fantastic four world because we know they don't start in the 616 in their movie and the mcu 616 world and then they all come together and then he starts taking people out like you said take out the biggest threats first right magneto is an omega level mutant goodbye right um Professor X Omega level mutant.

19:51 Goodbye. Right. Got to kill all the X -Men. They're dangerous. Yeah. By the way, four hulks, one Dr. Doom, name of your sex tape right there. Oh, it's good. I want to see. I want to see. This is just me. OK, growing up, I grew up with the animated series, the X -Men. But I do do do do do do do do do do. My favorite character was Gambit. Mine, too. I have the original Gambit limited edition on this shelf. Right in there somewhere. OK, somewhere. The four episode one where he goes back and he's married to the head of the Assassin's Guild. Yes. Yes. I think I actually have that as well. I have that limited series. Yeah. I don't know. I want to see more.

20:54 But here's the thing. It's a weird list. I think they want their own set of X -Men. I think they're bringing these guys in to kill them off and do some cool fights. I think we're going to get some awesome battle scenes. But I think Feige is going to want his own X -Men going into the mutant saga. Right. Yes, and also Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen are a billion years old You're not gonna go into the mutant saga with Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen in the positions of professor X and Magneto they're just too old kids. You're not gonna get him for another five years Five to seven years. They don't have that in them Quite frankly, I'm surprised they're back for this I love Gambit, but against him, did you watch the new X -Men one where he takes out that Sentinel chat? Yeah. Yeah, but God, that was so good when he takes out the Sentinel that stabs him. It's so good by himself, which this is my thing about the X -Men. It's not.

22:05 Like, yeah, you have the Wolverine, but typically it's. It's all about them having to work together to take someone down. So like Gambit by himself is not much of a threat. Even like Wolverine, if they're fighting Magneto, Wolverine by himself is not a threat to Magneto. No, Magneto's whooped the shit out of Wolverine a couple of times. Yeah. And ripped his fucking ripped his adamantium out. But so, yeah, Gambit can't take on Dr. Azou. Dr. Doom by himself almost said Dr. Zoom, which is a completely different villain there. But but no, it's a team. It's a team effort. God, let me have my fantasy. OK. I want I want Gambit.

22:52 I want Gambit and Rogue. I want them to have a spinoff with their own little notes here. But no, and no, and a pack with this rogue. Yeah, right. She's not in this no fancy Jansen is Jean Grey. We're getting like half the X -Men crew back, but not all of them Yeah, which is kind of weird. I I So I did see some stuff. I don't think this is the end of the announcements I do think I agree with a lot of commentators I think there's gonna be more people in this movie that they haven't announced yet These are the ones that they've got in contract and they're ready to go Again, I think that you establish doom as a threat by killing off all the X -Men 100 percent. And again, I think Spider -Man becomes the leader. And this is the thing that the MCU has been missing since Downey and Iron Man and Iron Man and Cap. I think that the problem that the the primary problem the MCU has had since the loss of Cap and Iron Man at the end of Endgame was they have not had a harder soul of the like.

24:01 Iron Man and Cap were the two guys kind of driving everything along, right? And it was their dynamic and their personalities and everything else. And they haven't had that since they left. And Tom Holland's Spider -Man wasn't set up to be that yet. But I think Secret Wars can set Spider -Man up to be that driving force going forward. For the MCU and then you introduce a mutant or two in secret wars because you're going into the mutant saga, right? We get some mutants that spider -man's help me train in secret wars and they become your primary focus moving forward Our new Wolverine whoever that's gonna be I'm still rooting for Zac Efron I Don't care y 'all can make fun of me all you want he is my dark horse casting to play Wolverine Oh, God. Oh, fuck. I fight. Oh, God. What is his name? Shit.

25:05 Henry Cavill actually seeing him in the role. I was like, damn. He could he could do it. I think he could do it. He won't. He won't. He's too old. Yeah, but he's he's in his 50s. Zach Efron is only 37. Right. Henry is 50. Yeah. What? Sorry, he's 41. Sorry. OK, I was off by one. He's my age. He's still old to be starting that franchise. Plus, he's got Warhammer. Yeah, no, totally. Yeah. And he's got his stuff. But but look at this. I'm sorry. Like, did you see him in that wrestling movie? Zac Efron? Yes. Well, the iron claw. Mm hmm. Yes. So he can get built.

25:53 Right. He's also closer to canonical Wolverine height Sure, he's five eight Okay, number one he's five eight number two he can get big like he can get burly right we've seen it right Number three by the way for everybody that's that's joking on this you guys don't remember cuz you're all too young People were fucking confused when they casted Hugh Jackman Hugh Jackman was a Broadway actor Before he became Wolverine everybody Yeah, everybody was like what? What? Here's the other thing And this is my favorite reason why? Okay It's fucking perfect Right if you guys haven't seen the greatest showman you need to watch that movie Okay, Zac Efron is a triple threat Much like Hugh Jackman, he can sing, he can dance, he's got the physicality. And again, he's closer to Wolverine's canonical height. We know he can get big and burly. We know he can do physical roles, right? Because again, he did that wrestling movie. He's done Baywatch. He did that one documentary series where he was wandering around the Earth.

27:12 He is my dark horse to play in Wolverine. I want Zac Efron. Kevin Feige, if you're watching the show. Please cast Zac Efron as Wolverine. Some in the chat saying Elijah Wood. No. He's too nice. Alan Richson, he wants to be Batman. Oh, he's been begging. Did you not see that? We're getting off topic. But I will say, I could... God, I could see him as Batman. The guy is fucking huge. He said you wouldn't even have to pay me.

27:56 There was a quote that he said. He said, I would play Batman for free. I... Oh, God. Here's the quote from Alan Rickson. I get asked every day if I'm playing Batman. Yeah. Would I play Batman? Yes. Would I pay handsomely to pay Batman? You wouldn't have to pay me to be Batman. I would don the suit in Batman voice. Gotham is mine. Right. Could I see him as Bruce Wayne? Yeah, I can. He's pretty and he's pretty. Yeah, I could totally see Alan Rich in this Batman. I don't think it's going to happen. Let's get back to Marvel. I know. Again, so that's my theory about this Doomsday cast. It's a really weird list.

28:51 Again, there's only a couple there that I was like, why is it? I understand why Dr. Strange isn't there. I think he'll get pulled in for secret ores. Benedict Cumberbatch has already confirmed he's not in Doomsday. He's going to be in Secret Wars. Remember at the end of Multiverse of Madness, he went wandering off the Multiverse with Charlize Theron. I think that the incursions happened and he comes back at the end of Doomsday, beginning of Secret Wars, to assist Spider -Man in winning the war against Doom. Right? Oh, you know what would be really fun? To riff off this idea, Spider -Man's training the new thing. We all know Doom hates the Fantastic Four, right?

29:32 Yeah. So he's captured the Fantastic Four and he's taking them off the board, right? And they're at different locations around Battleworld, right? So what Spider -Man has got to do is he's got to lead his team of new brand new kiddie heroes like Miss Marvel, Kate Bishop, et cetera. Somebody brought it up in the chat. Ant -Man's daughter, right? We take all of them and they've got to go rescue all the members of the fantastic four So that they can actually fight doom This sounds this sounds like the plot of a video game. It sounds like the plot of a comic book probably seven comic books that we've read Right, I I could see that uh Last casting day to be dropped a summer blockbuster season approaches in secret in doomsday I don't think they're gonna drop anymore. They're in production now. That was the other reason they did the announcement yesterday.

30:32 It's production, not pre -production. The script is locked for Doomsday and Secret Wars. It's done, right? Their scripts are locked and they're greenlit. Production has officially started. They're filming. That's the other reason I think spider -man's out there is I don't think he's I think he's because he's doing the Chris Nolan one right now He's filming the Odyssey right this second and he goes to the spider -man for later this summer. Ah Geez I Don't think we're gonna get any more casting names to you No, I think this is it I'm gonna be really curious to see the post credit scenes in Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four now 100 percent. Yes. Because that's going to set everything up, set everything up unless they do something somebody else brought up Star Lord. Where the fuck it's so again, key ones that we're missing and I'm curious how they're going to take them out, how dooms going to take them off the board. Star Lord is on Earth. Yes.

31:37 He's chilling with Grandpa. Yeah, he's eating a bowl of cereal. Last time we saw him. Right. Yes. But he's still a half celestial. Right. Four Hulks. Star Lord. Right. Again, I'm not even thinking about the street level guys, Daredevil, Pondisher, any of them, because this is above their level. Right. How do I think they're going to make Downey work his doom without us auto seeing Tony Stark? I think that initially you're not going to see his face. Yes, 100 percent. You're not going to see his face initially. I think that's gonna be the big twist, right? Again, I think you're gonna see the X -Men at the beginning of the film. I think he's gonna cause the incursion.

32:26 I think he's gonna merc all the X -Men, right? And I think it's gonna be, again, going on this list, if you want the biggest bang for your buck, it's Thor. Thor is fighting Doom, right? And again, if we use, like, Doom at his most powerful, he uses a combination of technology and magic. He uses both, right? So he's doing like spinny shit like Stephen Strange in an Iron Man suit basically, right? And he's fighting Thor and Thor knocks his mask off With Stormbreaker And they're looking at Thor is Tony Stark's face That would be better if they hadn't already told us the only reason I think they told us is I don't think they thought they could keep it secret I think there was there was I think they thought there was no way on the planet. It wouldn't leak Look at the Andrew and Toby shit from spider -man that shit leaked and Marvel did everything under the Sun to include having Andrew Garfield deny left right and sideways that he was in the new spider -man He fucking that guy lied for like six months Go look at the Andrew Garfield.

33:53 He was doing press for other movies. Are you in the new spider -man? He's like, no, I wish I was that would be cool that it added up He lied so convincingly for months, but everybody knew But I think I think if I remember correctly he got in trouble with Sony Way back in the day for accidentally like leaking shit or something too. Yeah, I could see spider -man I'm asking do too. Yes, I could too. But again, I don't think spider -man is in this movie I think they're gonna deal with how he interacts with Doomsday in his movie. When does Spider -Man 4 come out? Hang on. It's next year. Yeah, next July. So, Secret Wars will come out, or sorry, Doomsday will come out, Spider -Man will come out between it and Doomsday. And if you remember, Ant -Man did the same thing, right? We had Infinity War.

34:48 Ant -Man came out in the middle, took place right before Infinity War, and then right during that post -credits scene everybody got dusted and Ant -Man was stuck in the quantum realm, which sets up everything that happens in Endgame. I think that the Spider -Man 4 movie is going to set up what happens in... Doomsday. Or in Secret Wars. That'd be my guess. I don't know. But all I know is fucking I'm going to use my AMCA list. And so can you if you use the link down below to purchase your AMCA list. AMC, if you'd like to if you'd like to sponsor us, we would take your money. We are both big evangelists for a list. Yes. Anyway, this is a 35 minute segment.

35:36 I'm going to have to edit the snot out of this. Let us know what you think down in the comments below. Are we done seeing casting news? Was there anything that surprised you? Was this the stupidest way to announce the cast ever? Five and a half hour live stream showing me a new chair every 12 minutes. Feige, what were you thinking? All right. Let us know down in the comments below.